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"Shabbos My Bride" - Comments

1 Daniel Levy on 2008 01 25

A great idea as usual.
I would answer the Slonimer Rebbe’s question quite simply that we are saying to the angels “when the go” they should go in peace but not that we are telling them to go “now”.

2 Eliezer Weger on 2010 02 05

A different answer to the seemingly odd “Tzeischem LeShalom” -

The Modzitzer Rebbe (Imrei Shaul - Rebbe Shaul Yedidya Elazar ztvk"l) is disturbed “Why do we invite the malachim twice (Shalom Aleichem, Boachem Leshalom), seek their Bracha (Borchuni LeShalom), and then ship them out (Tzeischem LeShalom)?”

Thus, the nussach in Modzitz is to say not Tzeischem LeShalom, but rather BeTzeischem LeShalom - when you leave, you should go BeShalom.  Who are we to tell the Malachim HaKedoshim when to come and go?  But we must turn to the Mitzvos at hand, and we ask their understand and acceptance of this.  Nonetheless, “when you do depart, may it be in Peace”.

3 shlomo on 2010 02 05

The custom in some Chassidusws is not to say tzeischem Lshalom at all, and in others like in Modzitz is to sat Btzeischem LShalom
The Ropshitzer Rebbe gave a reply to the tzeischem lshalom question, Malachim dont eat so we dont want to be rude to them, to eat in their presence so we thank them for coming and then escort them out.

4 Joey Friedman on 2010 02 05

Reb Yaakov,

I have been reading your posts for a long time - this is perhaps your best and most meaningful.  Thank you for “feeding me” before this holy Shabbos!

Joey

5 Joey Friedman on 2010 02 05

Also, I have heard that Tzeischem is said because we are encouraging them to go to the homes of other Jews and “spread the wealth”, which we do enthusiastically. In my father’s home, the trade-off was to say Tzeischem only once.

6 Pnina Clark on 2010 02 07

Ditto to comment #4

7 Moshe Frank on 2010 02 19

Dear R’Yakov, Shlita,

Sholom U’vracha! We enjoy Torah Lab’s divrei Torah/sermons etc. In the drasha, Shabbos My Bride, you quote the Slonimer’s question about “asking the angels to leave”, just having welcomed them and asked for their blessing. The question seems a bit forced, since we’re not asking them to leave, rather we’re blessing their departure to be a peaceful one. The answer is equally difficult to understand. It is a bit arrogant to ask angels to step aside, so I could commune with G-d “alone”. First of all, you’re not going to be alone with G-d, when the angels leave, unless you’re eating alone. The Kaw-she awly p’reidaschem - let’s have one more day, just you and I (=Hashem) together, is not analogous to our situation. No angels are pushed aside on Shmini Atzeres - but here, according to the Slonimer, we’re asking the angels to move on, so we can be alone with G-d.

The pshat seems poshut. We know that the angels will be moving on to the next home or returning to Hashem to receive their next mission, so we’re escorting them as they leave.

B’vircas Kol Tuv,
Moshe Frank

8 H A Arnevet on 2012 02 10

According to the sedur of Hakham Shalom Messas z"l (North African minhag), we omit everything after “בשבתכם”

The sedur of HaRav Ovadia Yosef (Iraqi minhag) DOES include “בצאתכם ל...” - go out TO peace (vs. “בצאתכם ב...” - go out IN peace.)

According to R. Eli Mansour, the Mishna Berura - Rabbi Yisrael Meir Kagan, the Chofetz Chaim (Poland, 1838–1933) - writes that if one bids his fellow farewell in Hebrew, then he must be very particular in the words he chooses. Namely, he should say, “Lech Le’shalom” (literally, “Go to peace”), and not “Lech Be’shalom” (“Go in peace”). The phrase “Lech Le’shalom” (לך לשלום) implies that the person should find peace at his destination, and this is certainly the kind of wish we would like to extend to our fellow. However, the expression “Lech Be’shalom” (לך בשלום) is used at funerals, Heaven forbid, when we bid farewell to the deceased in front of the coffin.

As for me, שבת שלום

9 Ben rosen on 2016 01 29

I heard a beautiful pshat we learn from Yaakov avinu in parshas veyeitzie as there are eretz yisroel angels and chutz laretz angels so too there are two types of Angels. Shabbos angels and weekday angels. First we invite the shabbos angels and only when they are with us the weekday angels leave.  So we are always being looked after and accompanied but we have the higher shabbos angels with us for shabbos.

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