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"The Wrap – Putting On Your Tallis" - Comments

1 Elisha on 2009 06 18

Very informative.  All new Chossonim (i.e. Yechiel Pesach Shmuel and Chester) should read this to avoid foolshiness on the first day.  Although the custom of the Miamonideans is to wear a Tallis even as a bachur.

2 Rabbi Haber on 2009 06 18

The morning after my wedding (in Torah Ore) I put on my Talis and smacked Rabbi Moshe Tendler who was visiting accross the face. I received a lecture that I never forgot.

3 Gavriel on 2009 06 19

Why bother to check the strings when the tallis was kosher the day before?

What is there to check when you only need one or maybe two knots?

Why do people bother to check on shabbos when, if on the off chance something came loose, there’s nothing they can do to remedy it anyway?

4 TorahLab on 2009 06 19

Gavriel,
The problem over here is making a bracha levatala on a non kosher Tallis, and is only a recommended stringency. So we don’t trust the chazaka of the day before, we want to make sure its kosher lechatchila with all the knots, and on Shabbos we would not use it if its pasul and thus avoid a wrong bracha.
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5 Elisha on 2009 06 19

Rabbi Haber,
I loved your anecdote - but one question, I thought you’re not supposed to go to shule during the sheva brachos days?

6 Ari Enkin on 2009 06 19

I would love to see a follow up of this post: Why, where, and when did this seemingly independant mitzva - within the umbrella of tzitzis - of “atifa” come about?

It appears that the wearing of a tallis/atifa is not a mitzvah as those who are not married dont do it (in most Ashkenazi circles). In fact, in theory a person may never come to do this mtizva in an entire lifetime if he never married.

Ari Enkin

p.s. I heard in the name of Rav Gifter that the only Kavana one should have when putting on a Tallis is not to hit the guy behind you with the tzitzit.

7 the last of the litvaks on 2009 06 21

Rabbi Haber
I was wondering why yu call it the Rav Moshe way when the Aruch Hashulchan says it?
It would seem to me that this or the Gaon way would be the Litvishe way? I guess i should be happy that in this the so called Litvaks dont do like the chassidim as is theusual lakewood way.

8 Lakewood Litvak on 2009 06 21

Last Litvak,
You accuse Lakewood of bucking to the Chassidishe system, but what has the Litveshe system produced?  The only truly Litveshe yeshiva today is YU.  Would you rather us be like YU, or Lakewood and Chassidishe?

9 mommy on 2009 06 26

Gentlemen, gentlemen, if one must be careful not to lash his fellowman in the face with his tzitzis I don’t think that the tone of this conversation is correct either. And by the way, Rabbi Mendel Poliakoff has already cornered the market on being the ‘last of the Litvaks’. He’s over 90 and I wouldn’t want to contest him for the title!
B’Shalom,
The Haber Mother

10 UR on 2009 06 28

what does “cover the whole body” mean?

11 shlomo on 2009 06 28

Lakewood Litvak
There is another way. The Tiferes Yerushalyim way. Located in Lower Manhattan, it is the true Jerusalem of Manhattan.

12 Mike on 2011 03 09

What about the chabad way
and what do most other chassidim do??

and also
the arzial did have an atarah and was very machmir in this as chabad is
but the arizal ( and chabad) is against having an expensive(ie. silver)atarah because that would be more expensive than the tallis itslef

13 Ta on 2013 05 24

I was never shown how to properly put on a Tallis so this is extremely interesting and informative. Now I have to figure out whose method to follow!

14 H A Arnevet on 2014 06 13

According to Sedur Abotanu (Morocco/North Africa): 1), Page 57:  1) Check/separate the tzittzit (even on Shabat) 2) Fully open the tallit 3) Sat the blessing and immediately 4) put on the tallit completely covering the body and the head 4) Gather the tallit so all tzittzit are hanging in front of the wearer 5) Place both LEFT tzittzitot over the left shoulder 6) Place the two RIGHT tzittzitot over the left shoulder, in the process covering the lower part of the face a la Ismaelim (Arabs); the eyes are not covered 7) lower the tallit from the head (see next).
Only hakhamim keep the tallit on their heads during the service.
As a general rule, Sefardim & Mizrachim boys start wearing a tallit “gadol” when they are very young - old enough to understand/respect the tzittzit.
We also don’t look kindly on being struck by flying. Tzittzitot. (I once say a father in an Ashkenazi shul strike his son with tzittzitot - I’m glad I was far away from them.
Finally, North Africans saw the blessing for tallit and tefillin out load so others can share in the blessing with Bruk Hu and Amen.

15 micha on 2014 06 13

One more step, when checking… Make sure your tzitzis hang to the side, not downward. The side as worn—which may be the side of the garment or not, depending on how you tend to wear it. At the very least, that the knot does not rest exactly on the corner of the garment.

The Shulchan Arukh records the opinion that tzitzis must hang down along the corner in order to fulfill the mitzvah. It is not a universal opinion; the Levush too records the opinion, but say it’s not mandatory. But the Levush does add that having the knot rest on the corner (the loop on a diagonal) is prohibited.

And the SA says that taking care to have the loop go to the side is the accepted practice, the Rama is silent—so I assume it was his practice too. The Ah"S (se’if 19) treats it as mandatory, as does the SA haRav (OC 11:35)—the Litvaks and Chassidim agree!

It’s in the Shulchan Arukh, and yet I don’t find too many people who know to watch for at least the Levush’s point.

Many taliyos have loops that are too tight to easily go around the corner, so for them the risk is small. Also, it’s negligible for those who have two holes on each corner where one is for three strings and one for the fourth, as the threading through the holes guarantees it.

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