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The Systems of the Jewish Year

"Staying Up to Learn on Shavous Night" - Comments

1 Elisha on 2009 05 22

I think Arizals statement must be qualified in two ways: 1. If you learn the entire night without wasting any time at all 2. If you don’t endanger yourself, through stupidity, that year.

2 ? on 2009 05 22

Is staying up the second night is real thing, is there a source for this custom?

3 TorahLab on 2009 05 24

The source for the second night seems to be the Shelah in Mesechta Shavous

4 Ari Enkin on 2009 05 27

Not enough has been written in sefarim about NOT staying up on Shavuot night if you wont be able to daven properly.

If on Purim, where getting drunk is a mitzva, one should not do so if one will not be able to bentch/daven maariv later on—how much more so should one forgo the *custom* of staying up all night if one wont be able to daven properly.

It is certinly a hallowed and revered custom, but context is everything.

Ari Enkin

5 UR on 2009 05 28

Re; Ari’s comment about staying up and davening properly - I think this is something that is definitely for the youngsters. If one can pull off all-nighters before taking a morning test, handling davening should not be an issue. I do think that people hit an age where that would just not be doable. I think my age limit was 25.

btw: if one is irritable after staying up, than I would think that would not qualify as being able to daven properly.

6 David Kunkel on 2010 05 24

I have a question about “staying up all night”: If one takes a nap between nightfall and midnight (Tzeitz Cochavim and Chatzos Halailah) and then studies from Chatzos until daybreak (Alos Hashachar), does that count as “all night” from the point of view of the Arizal?


7 Jake on 2011 06 07


What about areas (e.g. England) where the stars don’t emerge until 11PM?


8 Jake on 2011 06 07

I mean, how to fulfill “temimos?”


9 Yitzchok Hammer on 2015 05 15

Dear Zvi,
I really enjoyed reading your article. If I may comment:- it would appear that the minhag of staying up all night on Shavuos is based on an unfortunate misunderstanding of the parsha of Matan Torah in Yisro. In 19:17 it says in translation “And Moshe took out the People to meet G-d....” From this we deduce that hashem was waiting for us. The Arizal? interprets this to mean that haas vshalom Um Yisroel - the People of Israel - slept in late that morning of the giving of the Torah. In contradistinction Rashi says on the pasuk that it is teaching us that Hashem went out to greet us like the groom goes out to meet the bride. In otherwords Hashem was showing his deep love for us by coming out early to meet us, not that we slept in. Rashi supports this by quoting from parshas Zos Habracha were in praise of Hashem and us Moshe says “vyomar Hashem Misinai ba” and Hashem said from Sinai he came, which Rashi explains that Hashem went out to greet bnei Yisrael like a Bride meets his groom.

About your advise for Elokai Neshamah and Hamavir Shaina that you should hear the bracha from someone who slept:- I don’t think this is sound advice because if you were indeed not obligated in these brachos until you slept, when you wake up you are! The way out of this dilemma is to not be yotsei the brachos till you yourself go to sleep and become unequivocally obligated.

Warmest regards,

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