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"Dipping Your Dishes" - Comments

1 ? on 2009 06 29

what about a coffee cup that the top is plastic but the lip of the cup is medal?

2 TorahLab on 2009 06 29

If the metal is drunken from as in your case, or is on the outside but is supporting the plastic then it would require tevilah.
When in doubt its always best to tovel without a bracha

3 Sender on 2009 06 29

I wonder if Reb Moshe would consider modern day urns as two separate Keilim too. The urn he describes in teshuva is a 1956 model with a separate casing and element at the top.

4 mtjster on 2009 06 29

it is worth noting, that there is a questions as to whether a person should tovel a gift before giving it. You forgot to mention in your blog that one is allowed to tovel someone elses stuff even without there permission, being such the gift question should be a no brainer. R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach says that one may not tovel a gift before giving it b/c we are not sure whether they will wind up keeping it or bringing it back to the store. Maybe the halacha would change based on the specific stores return policy....

5 shlomo on 2009 06 30

mtjster
1st of all your name should be in capitals, after all Tiferes Yerushalayim is the capiital of the Torah world. I wasn’t sure by what gift question you meant, and your quote from Rav Shlomo Zalman contradicts what you say. Maybe you are bothered by what is bothering me, why can’t the storekeeper tovel it? maybe Rabbi Haber can source that?

6 Shalom on 2009 06 30

Elisha, where are you? I am waiting for you to comment on how our religion is racist? But the truth is it isn’t, if we bought from you we would also toviel.

7 TorahLab on 2009 07 02

Sender - How do you know the 1956 urns had elements on top? Maybe he’s talking about a different appliance altogether? I fail to see how an element on top would work in an urn. The sevara he says, that the electric element or wiring is separated from the food part would apply to every appliance I could think of.
MTJster - the greater issue with a gift would be the same as with a store owner, i.e. that the gift giver has no obligation to tovel, and the recipient has not yet received the gift and is therefore also not obligated. Nowhere in the classical texts does it mention this would be a problem, it was raised by several acharonim in the last 50 years or so.
Shlomo - I hope I resolved some of your issues.

8 Dov on 2009 12 06

If one is giving a gift to someone who may not tovel it, wouldn’t it be best to make a kinyan first to transfer ownership to the recipient, then tovel on his behalf, then give the gift?  Wouldn’t this solve all the issues, including potential lifnei iver that you didn’t relate to?

9 TorahLab on 2009 12 08

Dov,
One could do that, but if RSZ is worried about the guy returning it that would still be a problem. In any case, its not necessary according to many other poskim.
Where is there lifnei Iveir? Just tell the recipeint what you did! If you don’t think he’ll tovel it then you should for sure tovel it for him. If he has the ability to tovel it and doesn’t thata not lifnei iver.

10 Davida on 2010 03 12

I recently purchased an electric kettle that is made out of thick plastic, but has a thick piece of metal at the bottom of kettle where you pour the water in. Inside the bottom of the kettle there are some electrical components. Would you say this follows the same psak as the toaster?

11 Tzvi on 2010 03 12

Davida,
A kettle would be more similar to an urn and should be toveled fully. if the element is in a separate casing you can immerse it top down, including the metal plate at the bottom, up until that casing.

12 shlomo on 2011 01 12

Rabbi Haber
I hope you get updates when a new question comes in, because I dont know how to reach you. I was wondering would a sandwich maker which you make only grilled cheese require tevilah ? It would seem from the Iggros Moshe that any klei tikun ochel that is used on already edible food would not require tevilah (except for an urn).
Thank You

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